I was amused at the thought of riders conscientiously snarfing sweet goos
or potions for fear of bonking on a 20 mile ride. While I have no interest
(except perhaps academic) in low carb diets, I have for decades eaten very
little during the day, and getting most of my nourishment in the evening.
I've read in many places that this is bad, but that's what I do -- usually
large coffee or tea in the early morning, sometimes with sugar and milk,
sometimes black; a small snack in the early afternoon; dinner after 5 pm.

Anyway, while I don't ride long distances, I have no problem riding a
vigorous 30 miles on coffee and perhaps bread and cheese (coffee only if
before 1, perhaps a snack if afterward), and I don't bonk, unless I wait
too long after I return before eating something -- I *will* bonk if, at say
3 pm, I return after a ride on an empty stomach, and don't get around to
eating because I get busy with something else -- for situations like this I
do carry an emergency stash of glucose pills.

The problem with riding later in the day on an empty stomach, while of
course drinking a lot of liquid, is that you need to pee every 15 minutes,
which raises eyebrows.

Patrick Moore

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:31 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On a 20 mile ride, I don't think that the Gatorade you drink is fueling
> you. Those carbs only become a source of fuel when glycogen stores are
> depleted. Even if you're a carb eater, and you have fasted, you still have
> enough glycogen (stored carbs)  to ride 2 hrs, and even go anaerobic at
> times. I used to be very puzzled on 25 mile or so group rides with all the
> riders who were gobbling sugary energy bars (hooray for marketing!) When I
> did EBDJ, while training for PBP 2015, and became keto adapted, I could
> ride up to 3 hrs (~15 mph avg) with no food. I did a 200k perm, totally
> flat, with only sausage and cheese for fuel. I found it to be a miserable
> experience. The last half of the ride felt like a 5 hour bonk. I was only a
> couple of weeks into EBDJ, so maybe not quite keto adapted yet.  2-3 weeks
> later, I did the same 200k perm, and at the last C-store control, feeling
> pretty lousy, I had a Starbucks double shot (caffeine + carbs, yay!) and
> was very energized and able to finish not feeling like crap.  I settled
> into a routine of fueling with carbs during rides of 100km or more.
>
> Before and during my EBDJ, I followed with great interest, Deacon
> Patrick's thoughts and experiences. If I remember correctly, Patrick, you
> described 7-8 hour rides on your Hunqa with only coconut oil as fuel. I was
> never, ever able to get to such a point. But then again, with the epic sub
> zero temperature rides that you do, I feel that you're clinically insane.
> Sardonic grin....
>
> Very interested to hear how it goes, Lum.
>
> Tim "not doing EBDJ but should be" Kirch
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