I can't find a position where I will ride with no pain in my hands.

I've removed neck and shoulder pain after switching to Rivendell bikes,
but I can't get rid of the hand pain. Raising or lowering the bar doesn't
seem to make a difference. If anything, it seems to me that raising it
actually makes it worse. On both the AHH with Noodle bars and the Bombadil
with Moustache bars, shortening the stem has made me feel the "spot"
overall, as well as lowering the bars some. But the hand pain doesn't go
away.

Today I raised the M-bar on the Bombadil as far as the brake cables would
allow (raised it about 1.5 cm higher than I had them) and if anything, it
seems that the hand pain was worse. Looking at my profile on window
reflections while riding, it seems to me that I went from a 45-50 degree
forward lean to a 50-55 degree forward lean when putting my hands on the
braking position. When my hands are on the edges of the bar where the
shifters are, I'm more upright but there is still a forward lean. It seems
to me that as long as I have a forward lean of some sort, there is some
amount of pressure on my hands and that causes them to hurt.

My explanation for the slightly less hand pain when the bars are a bit lower
(still higher than the saddle) is that the 45 degree forward lean allows me
to engage more back muscles as well as use my legs more effectively, and
that raising the bar reduces the work from my muscles and therefore my hands
bear more of my weight.

They also seem to hurt less when riding gloveless on the M-bars.

Can anybody offer more insight into what I might try doing to deal with the
pain in my hands?

Thank you,

René

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