I have a Boulder 700c rando w light tubing, and a Kog P/R; and the guys i 
ride with have Rawland 650b bikes // i've spent YEARS trying to decide if 
there is a difference, switching off bikes on the same route(s) etc.  And i 
will say that I greatly appreciate Jan's POV, and see all that he has done 
for equipment (and of COURSE all the great work Grant P & Riv has done) // 
that in the end it's incredibly subjective [remember when all BQ articles 
essentially ended with, 'but still my 1962 Alex Singer did it better'].   

My personal experience is that HOW the bike fits you, do you feel IN it or 
ON it, what is your fitness level, etc, is the biggest factor in comfort 
and speed and 'planing' [when I've spent a winter doing squats, I can get 
onto the P/R and it will 'plane' uphill for me; if i'm not in optimum 
shape, that's the only time i get the 'non-planing deadleg' ie riding 
uphill, or sprinting.  The Boulder is a GREAT bike; the Rawland 650bs are 
great; my Kog is an excellent all rounder; I ride the boulder on gnarly 
dirt all the time and it hasn't snapped in 1/2 yet (it's on 32 mm tires, 
compass tires, but i really prefer 27mm Challenge tires which are in effect 
30mm).  And the bike i like the most [in theory], is my 1980 Tom Ritchey. 
 But in practice, the one i'm ON is the one i like the most.

Heresy, but i have the Boulder set up as a fixed gear because i use it now 
in a flat city [Boston] instead of in my hilly hometown, and with the 
challenge tires 30mm tires, it's quantifiably a rocket.  A comfortable 
rocket. 

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> I have a couple different 50 mile rides I do, they are both on mostly 
> paved surfaces, both have at least 8-10 miles of climbing and descending. 
> I’ve done both these rides for close to 25 years. 
> When I got my first 650B bike (in the early 2000s), I started riding that 
> bike more than most. 
> It fits 38-42mm tires, has fenders,lighting, bag, racks etc... 
> My zippy road bike has been shod with700 28-35C tires, it is lean and 
> carries nothing but a small under seat bag. 
>
> While the road bike feels “faster”. 
> The time it takes to complete either of these loops on either bike is 
> never more than the time it takes to make a quick bathroom break. 
> Neither is ever faster than the other. 
>
> Ray 
> Vallejo CA

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