Hi Patrick, I do not have an answer to why high heel may be worse or better and would be open just like you to the evidence. Also, I think the evidence is there but you may not be aware of it. Rarely do I see anyone mentioning anything other than the typical raised heel or giving a shoe in the market that as a alternative. They do not have to say it but merely offer you what the market will allow or take by offering you the only the choice to make. As I mentioned in the previous post, if public transportation is a better solution than people driving car or bicycling is better for your health and the health of the city you live in, why do people in mast not go in that direction? Do you hear anything about that in your area about how public transportation is better than having a car in already crowded cities? I am on the east coast and almost never hear anything about it and cities are getting over crowded,especially in my state. So they do not have to say anything explicitly towards you but frame discussion or omit alternative completely from the discussion. In that, you are locked in to a frame of looking at the world.
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lee: For my mind, at any rate, the question about the benefits or > detriments of heels remains open; I just haven't heard sufficiently good > evidence either way and, again, the argument "all the others are doing it > wrong" seems to me to be a dangerously 2-edged sword. > > Respectfully, I don't yet see sufficient evidence that people wear > conventional shoes merely because marketing has them bamboozled, or because > society has refused them alternatives. I am very open to hearing more about > the health benefits of no shoes, or no heels, but you all need to give more > information than "*this *worked for me" and "*that* happens only because > marketers or powers-that-be make it happen" -- ie, personal experience on > the one hand, and conjecture on the other. Again, I am very open to hearing > more and clearer evidence about pros and cons of heels and no heels, and > for that matter, shoes and no shoes, but I haven't yet seen it. Indeed, I > am if anything biased toward no heels since Romans and Indians and Chinese > and Maya and Zulu all thrived without European type shoes; but then they > don't live in Germany or Zurich or damp England, either. (Cetschwayo's > impis could cover 50 miles in a day over rough bush terrain while barefoot.) > > One more anecdote: I recall as a boy recently moved to India, remarking at > the high arches of laborers who of course went barefoot on asphalt as they > did their daily work pushing and carrying and hewing and drawing. No shoes > didn't seem to hurt them. But then, I've known very old people whose feet > didn't hurt after 8 decades of modern shoes. > > BTW, Lee, it's apparent to me that societies don't "progress" in a > unilateral way; they progress in certain ways and regress on others; it's > aways a combination. > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Lee Legrand <krm2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Patrick, >> >> I would not use the word stupid since a society is not always progressing >> but can remain stagnant because of cultural conditioning and society tend >> to change slowly or resist change. Anyway, it may be due to wear but I am >> not aware of the reason why shoes have heels and it may be true what Peter >> has said. I always thought it was a fashion thing. Sometimes things do not >> change due to market forces which see that expensive of retooling or >> research to get into profits. Availability of having a shoe or choices of >> shoes are very limited as well since living in a society does not mean we >> really have choices. For example, it may be to have better public >> transportation in society to reduce air pollution but the only choice we >> have in some circumstances is to just get a car and these choices are >> driven by markets since it is more advantages (if you are a business man >> that relies on people having them and you are selling them) than to go >> toward other ways of traveling like using bikes or public transportation >> such as buses and trains. We see this played out in society in all kinds >> of ways to drive out ideas because they are bad but bad means bad for >> business. Also, would not a thicker sole help with the wear? It may be my >> foot but I rarely buy new shoes because the sole has worn down but because >> they are completely worn. Just saying. >> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Heels may well add nothing to foot health, but apparently they don't >>> hurt, to judge by the 80 and 90 year olds I've known who wore heeled shoes >>> and remained ambulatory until very near death without any foot complaints! >>> >>> I'm still open to the answer; it's obvious that millennia of people got >>> by without heels. I just don't believe that centuries of societies are as >>> stupid as they've been made out to be, if heels were merely fashion or >>> cluelessness. One could turn the question around and ask why minimalist >>> shoes, as those "earth shoes" and other designs, seem to come up every >>> decade or 2 and then disappear? >>> >>> What happened to Crocks, by the way? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Lee Legrand <krm2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Peter, >>>> >>>> It may last longer but what does this say about foot health? I think >>>> that is central to the minimalist shoe idea and to this post. 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