If you think that list is a retrogrouch list, then I don't know what you mean with the word "retrogrouch". To me, retrogrouch means "I like this old thing, and the new thing is crap, and I don't even have to try it to know I hate it".
Rivendell is not pro-friction-shifting. Rivendell thinks index shifters work great, and friction shifters work great, and your foot shifts the chain fine, and a stick is OK to shift your chain. High bars on expensive bikes is not an old-proven-design. Bolt upright on an expensive bike is revolutionary to the point of offending some people because it's so non-traditional Riding for fun over racing is breaking from the tradition of the last 45 years, not sticking with the tradition. Riv started the revolution. They didn't stay back, they plowed forward Lugged steel over carbon is choosing "a bike that will last >50 years" over "not that". It has nothing to do with tradition or sticking with something because it is old. Anybody who wants to make a frame that will last over 50 years of hard use will make it from steel or titanium. Wider tires is an evolution in the entire industry. Everybody has figured it out and is evolving. Wide tires is the cool new thing, not the cool old thing. Actual "retro" people would rather see more Rivendells that look like Italian racing bikes of the 1970's and 1980's or French Randonneur bikes from the 1930's through 1950's. Those old proven designs are awesome, and there are many places you can get bikes that copy those old proven designs. Rivendell doesn't do that stuff because that stuff has been done. The reason they don't copy those old proven designs is because Rivendell is not retro. They are definitely not grouchy, either. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Bill there are retrogrouch aspects of it. > > Friction shifting > High bars for riding > Riding for enjoyment rather than fast pace road cycling > Lugged steel frame vs composite > Tires wider than 25 mm (this is more bucking the system) > > I view Rivendell as a company that makes bicycle for the vast majority of > people who do not want to wear lycra and have super duper fast bicycles but > want to ride bicycle for pure enjoyment and travel on tours. The answer is > probably somewhere in the middle between retro and never been built before > bicycles. > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Bill Lindsay <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> It is my opinion that the people who think Rivendell is either "retro" or >> "retrogrouch" are taking an EXTREMELY short-sighted view of things. You >> can't see the forest for the lugs if you think Rivendell is using old >> proven designs. Lugged-steel is an old proven construction method, >> perhaps. The 'design' of the machine is a lot more than the construction >> method. Rivendell does not copy or replicate any old proven designs. They >> design bikes that have never been built before by anyone, ever. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> >> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 12:56:28 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote: >>> >>> I always thought Rivish was centered around the retrogrouch philosophy >>> in which steel lugged frame, wide tires for comfort, bicycling is for >>> enjoyment and travel over speed, modern technology is good but the old >>> design has proven itself to work well, therefore no need to constantly move >>> with trends. >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
