Since when are high bars "retro"?   Anything but, I'd say.  Back in the day, it was inches of bar drop.  You didn't even see bars level with saddle back then, never mind "modern Rivendell sky high".

On 10/26/2017 05:45 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:
Bill there are retrogrouch aspects of it.

Friction shifting
High bars for riding
Riding for enjoyment rather than fast pace road cycling
Lugged steel frame vs composite
Tires wider than 25 mm (this is more bucking the system)

I view Rivendell as a company that makes bicycle for the vast majority of people who do not want to wear lycra and have super duper fast bicycles but want to ride bicycle for pure enjoyment and travel on tours.  The answer is probably somewhere in the middle between retro and never been built before bicycles.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Bill Lindsay <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    It is my opinion that the people who think Rivendell is either
    "retro" or "retrogrouch" are taking an EXTREMELY short-sighted
    view of things.  You can't see the forest for the lugs if you
    think Rivendell is using old proven designs.  Lugged-steel is an
    old proven construction method, perhaps.  The 'design' of the
    machine is a lot more than the construction method.  Rivendell
    does not copy or replicate any old proven designs.  They design
    bikes that have never been built before by anyone, ever.

    Bill Lindsay
    El Cerrito, CA


    On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 12:56:28 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand
    wrote:

        I always thought Rivish was centered around the retrogrouch
        philosophy in which steel lugged frame, wide tires for
        comfort, bicycling is for enjoyment and travel over speed,
        modern technology is good but the old design has proven itself
        to work well, therefore no need to constantly move with trends.


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