For an "all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and some 
occasional off road riding" I think it is also is worth considering the 
Atlantis. I think the Atlantis tubing is actually lighter than the Sam 
Hill, but they may have made changes since the early ones, so I'm not sure 
where it stands now. The Atlantis can fit fatter tires than either the SH 
or AHH, and that makes it more suitable for the described purpose. Used 
Atlanti seem to come up for sale pretty often since they have been in 
production for so long.

Another thing to consider is the weight of the rider plus gear. For big 
loads the SH or Atlantis would be more appropriate and for lightweight 
loads the AHH might be more suitable. 

-Dave J

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
> This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
> some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>
> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>
> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
> appreciated. 
>
> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>

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