Thanks for playing along Stuart.  For the record, I think the LHT is a very 
good bike.  

I wonder what the resale value of these Rosco Bubbe mini-runs will be?  I 
have one and will soon have two of them.  My blue Rosco Road liftatube 
frame was $925.  In 10 years, will it be worth $400?  $700?  Or will it go 
up in value like an Ibis Scorcher or an X0-1?  Lob only knows.  You know 
somebody will write up an ebay description about how it's a collectible 
limited edition one-of-ten-ever-made item.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> I duly concede to Bill that my comparisons may have been over-generalized. 
>
> FWIW, I've ridden an unloaded LHT (rented for a week in Portland) and 
> thought it was plenty fun, and granted it was two years ago but I would say 
> it was very similar to riding my Joe now. 
>
> Back to the topic, and I'm pretty sure this has been said before, but Rivs 
> have pretty good resale value, especially a newer one with presumably less 
> miles. So when a new shiny thing comes up, the best bang for your buck can 
> sometimes feel like the easiest way to go, even if it means selling a 
> pretty bike like a Joe. 
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:49:13 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Stuart says the Appaloosa is a nicer, upright Surly Long Haul Trucker. 
>>  To prove his point he attached photos of two 26" wheel Surly Long Haul 
>> Truckers, one with rim brakes and one with disc brakes, both with drop 
>> bars.  
>>
>> I concede the point with a proviso:  If your bike-category-buckets are so 
>> large that two bikes with different wheel sizes, different handlebar types 
>> and significantly different frame geometry can be categorized as 
>> equivalent, then the Appaloosa is not unique.  If the buckets have a little 
>> more specificity, only then can one argue the Appaloosa is a unique design. 
>>    
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:55:24 AM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most 
>>> people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not 
>>> necessarily clear exactly how a longer one will affect handling, especially 
>>> because everyone's bodies and abilities are different. I would say it all 
>>> ultimately depends on exactly how and where you ride the bike, so I 
>>> wouldn't write someone off for trying something new. 
>>>
>>> As for the Joe being the first and only bike of its kind, I'd say the 
>>> Joe is a nicer, upright version of the LHT so I wouldn't really make that 
>>> claim at all. I've attached some photos of the LHT I'm thinking of here. 
>>>
>>

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