Stuart says the Appaloosa is a nicer, upright Surly Long Haul Trucker.  To 
prove his point he attached photos of two 26" wheel Surly Long Haul 
Truckers, one with rim brakes and one with disc brakes, both with drop 
bars.  

I concede the point with a proviso:  If your bike-category-buckets are so 
large that two bikes with different wheel sizes, different handlebar types 
and significantly different frame geometry can be categorized as 
equivalent, then the Appaloosa is not unique.  If the buckets have a little 
more specificity, only then can one argue the Appaloosa is a unique design. 
   

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:55:24 AM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most 
> people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not 
> necessarily clear exactly how a longer one will affect handling, especially 
> because everyone's bodies and abilities are different. I would say it all 
> ultimately depends on exactly how and where you ride the bike, so I 
> wouldn't write someone off for trying something new. 
>
> As for the Joe being the first and only bike of its kind, I'd say the Joe 
> is a nicer, upright version of the LHT so I wouldn't really make that claim 
> at all. I've attached some photos of the LHT I'm thinking of here. 
>

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