On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 2:10:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> IMHO, Steelman priced himself out of the market. Nice frames that suddenly 
> rocketed into the stratosphere in price while remaining pretty much the 
> same.
>

I believe steelman's prices were similar to Sachs and Vanilla. The 
difference is they have excellent marketing and he didn't. Same goes for 
BG, his prices were the same and quality equal or better than the others, 
but his marketing isn't anywhere near what Sachs and Vanilla developed. 



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> On May 23, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Brewster Fong <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> The boutique custom steel framebuilding business isn't easy. I understand 
> that one of the best, Mark DiNucci gets about $5500 for his framesets but 
> he doesn't have a big wait list. The two steel framebuilders who supposedly 
> have 5+ year wait list and can command top dollar for their framesets, 
> i.e., $5500+ per frameset are Richard Sachs and Sasha White/Vanilla. 
>
> Others like Dave Kirk and Dave Wages/Ellis Cycles don't have as long a 
> waitlist, but are getting about $4000/frameset.  Still are others like 
> Rivendell, who I believe contracts with Mark Nobilette (sp?), and Waterford 
> and they get about $3500+ per frameset.
>
> BG is old school and his framesets go for top dollar too. I just don't 
> think he has much business. Framebuilding is a tough business. Ask Brent 
> Steelman. He was asking $5000+ for his framesets and is now completely out 
> of the business, choosing to sell imported rugs instead and I understand 
> he's doing very well. 
>
> Good Luck! 
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