I thought of the Compass knickers, but Jan's description made them seem to thin -- I don't want to be obliged to wear tights under them when it gets cold.
I found an excellent deal on 2 pr of Endura "Urban" pants at an apparently Spain-based vendor called "Bike Inn." The list is, IIRC, $98, but I got 2 shipped from Europe for $119. It took 3 weeks, but the online tracking system worked pretty well, and the vendor answered questions quickly. Segue: the Urban pants (I think Endura is Scottish?) are 85/100, the missing 15% mostly because for my particular taste (I have a 6 footer's torso on a 5'10" body, and my father used to call me the "hipless wonder) the waist is too low in the back, despite the marketing materials claiming they are cut high in back for cycling. Another inch would have been just right. Also, they are about 1" too wide at the hems to stay fully away from the chain; I'll have to peg the right leg slightlh. But those problems aside, everything else is 100%: they fit well; the material is good quality, just the right weight for me, and slightly stretchy; the sewing is good; the hardware is good; they have a good zip fly with hook and button dual closure; 2 regular side pockets; 2 rear pockets (zipped, but I don't need zips); and most important of all, they look close enough to real roadie cycling tights that I can read Velominati and still hold my head high. I found 2 big flaws with the first gen MUSA knickers: (1) they were too low in back; and (2) they had no fly -- ie, sweatpants style front. Otherwise -- but those for me are big "buts" -- they would have been 100% too. On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:01 PM, John Hawrylak <[email protected]> wrote: > Patrick > > again thanks for the explanations. Yes, Gen 2 was baggier and RBW seemed > to "crow" about it. > > Compass has a nice pair, have you looked at theirs?? They do not seem to > be 4" below the knee from the pictures??? They are pricey, but in line > with Compass stuff. > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > > On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 7:17:56 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> John: I owned a pair of the first gen MUSA knickers and they were just >> long enough to cinch under the knee and allow free movement; another inch >> would have been good. Apparently the 2nd gen were as you say like long >> pants that weren't quite long enough. They were also a lot baggier -- not >> my cuppa, either. >> >> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:36 PM, John Hawrylak <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Patrick >>> >>> Ok, now I understand why the extra length is required. Thanks. I do >>> NOT remember any mention of why you need the extra length in the RBW >>> description of the longer knickers. >>> >>> John Hawrylak >>> Woodstown NJ >>> >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:15:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> At least 4" below knee. Please! 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