Tough to criticize the long stays Eric unless you've ridden such a 
bike.  As for the "look" of it, I can tell you how much time I spend just 
"looking" at my bike as an object, maybe put it up on the wall next to a 
flower vase, maybe hung on the wall with my trophy fish and bear  ..... 
hmmm .... that'd be zero minutes !  Ahahaahahahahahaha !  

   Bike design is so often copy-cat , then you think a bike is "supposed" 
to look that way, when it's not that way at all. Or "this look" means "it 
rides this certain way". Blah blah blah, meaningless !  Popularity and 
consensus means nothing to me, I would have liked a very long stay bike 
back around 2000 actually. Not every bike of mine, but one bike. It's like 
that with clothes too. I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks of the 
clothes I wear, because I actually WEAR them and don't adore them as 
"trophies of hipness" !  I wear them because I want to feel as if I wasn't 
wearing anything, meaning I don't notice them. All those tight arsed design 
trends that are supposed to look "hip" feel like wearing straight jackets 
for your legs.  "Hip" if anything is just being yourself , duh ! 

   So same with bike, I want a bike that rides like I'm not even 
"efforting" at all, the bike just kinda goes away and you're just being.  
How that "looks" is not it's purpose, how it rides, is . 

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