On 09/15/2016 05:01 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
You can believe that I've heard others say that, but perhaps they are wrong.

Anything is possible, of course, but is it likely that thinner sprockets and chains would last longer than thicker ones? Or that systems that demand close tolerances would work better in adverse conditions than those with less close tolerances? It just goes against common experience.

Also, up to 9 speed master links are re-usable; I've heard that 10 and above are not. If true, that means owners of 10 and above speed systems cannot remove chains for frequent immersion in degreaser and re-lubing, as I do with my 7, 8 and 9 speed systems. I find keeping the chain clean and lubricated makes possible the long service I enjoy, and I know from years of trying to do it with Shimano break-away replacement pin systems that cleaning the chain on the bike, instead of removing it and dunking it in a can of mineral spirits as I do now, that on-the-bike chain cleaning is too time consuming and too messy. (And of course, you can forget the paraffin treatment, if you'd been so inclined.)


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com <mailto:palin...@his.com>> wrote:


    On 09/15/2016 12:44 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

        Very interesting. What do others say about the longevity of 10
        speed (or for that matter, 11 or 12 speed) systems? (This is
        perhaps moot, because your system calls for friction shifting,
        but I've heard quite a few say that 10 is actually more
        durable than 9. Is that true?


    I can't believe that.  I've seen too much over the years on the
    forums saying that 10 speed chains last no more than 1-2000 miles,
    while I routinely get several times that on my 9 speed drive trains.


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