>
> but I suppose Riv Riders tend to buy up as the years go by anyway
>

You know, I thought about this too, and the thing with the Clem is you 
can't really buy up in the line from it, in a way. The Joe and Hunq are 
both similar in their ways, but not really the same. The Joe is lighter and 
has a much lighter fork especially. And even if the Hunq gets longer stays, 
it won't have the longer top tube that makes adjusting the reach on the 
Boscos so nice or the really open out of the saddle space the Clem has. On 
paper anyway, I haven't got to ride either in person and that is always 
capable of making the on-paper irrelevant :P I was talking with my buddy 
about it a long ride on Memorial Day, about how now that I had things 
dialed in I was having a real hard time understanding what a Hunq or an 
Atlantis (both rides I considered before the Clem preorder went up) would 
offer me other than lugs, and maybe now if anything what I'd want down the 
road is just a custom with Clemmy geo but fully lugged and with the full 
paint job, but then I'd probably get shy about using it like a daily 
workhorse like that and then that'd make me sad. 

But, like I said, it does have me considering a Sam to replace the lighter 
'stached build it replaced. But, I think I've got a couple more years of 
riding this one to pay myself back in sweat before I'm ready to finance 
that one. Which is good, I should be good and ready to appreciate a lighter 
ride buy then. Maybe with the Clem doing so well it'll even be the first 
bike I build where I stop at fenders and maybe a Mark's rack, and don't 
overbuild in the name of 'but what if 30 miles out I need to...'   

Michael, it was your comparison of the Clem and Joe and the Boscos there 
that made me go 'I had that exact opinion too just a very short time ago' 
and reminded me I keep not getting these thoughts down. I almost replied on 
your thread but didn't want to hijack it. So, glad it makes you want to try 
them, but really, thanks for being the seed that got me to write this.

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