Even though I ignore Anton's disapproval, I celebrate his approval.  ;-)

Just for perspective, Anton can cringe when he sees a ziptie on a 
<airquotes>nice bike</airquotes> if he wants to cringe.  On the other hand, 
Anton enthusiastically endorses the inventive and discreetly executed 
method of gluing wire guides onto a bicycle, fender or rack.  I bet there 
are people out there who would cringe at the act of gluing stuff onto your 
bike.  They can cringe if they want.  Anton obviously has a justification 
for why zipties are a lowbrow hack and why glue is not a lowbrow hack, but 
he doesn't need to have a justification.  Each individual can dismiss an 
option if they want to dismiss it.  Alternatively, if you want, you can 
include all options.  If somebody wants to consider an option only for 
bikes of a certain price range or level of niceness, that's fine, too.  I 
think it's unfortunate when a personal bias causes you to tell somebody 
else that their bike looks terrible or trashed out, but if you can't help 
it, then you can't help it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 8:39:50 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Thank God. ;-)
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I have one bike that has a VeloLumino sitcker on it.  That bike features 
>> two ingenious VeloLumino products.  That bike has no zip ties on it.  
>>
>>
>>>>

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