Living in Pittsburgh, PA these both look like the roads I ride daily, along 
with some nowhere-near-level brick and thrashed cobbestone streets thrown 
in for good measure. I think the smoothest surfaces I ride often tend to be 
the trail shortcuts through the large city park I live next to.

Interesting responses in here so far. The Thunder Burt stands out as a tire 
I would never have thought to look at. Unfortunately the 650b hasn't really 
made any inroads here yet so I have basically 0 options for looking at 
tires aside from the stray 27.5 MTB knobby that a couple shops might stock. 
Lots of fat tires though! So experimenting with a half dozen different 
models of tires I have to mailorder for $100+/pair is not a feasible option 
for me.

The supple vs. strong dichotomy is exactly what I'm hoping to get beyond. 
It's the in-between I'm interested in. I'm a light, non-aggressive rider 
and rarely get flats. I haven't flatted a Schwalbe in who knows how long 
and have only pinch flatted the Jack Browns running too low PSI.  I don't 
plan on replacing those until they wear down to the tube. Also, what makes 
them "stout"?

Longevity though is one of the deciding factors for me. It's kept me from 
getting a set of Bruce Gordon RnRs and also from Compass and the 
Pari-Motos. I'm not interested in an "event tire" no matter how nice it 
rides. I need something that will stand up to time in the saddle more than 
I need something that will protect me from poor road conditions.


On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 10:08:49 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 03/22/2016 06:27 PM, ian m wrote:
>
> But would I notice the same change if I went from the light Jack Browns on 
> my SS to Compass tires?  I would like to upgrade from the bottom of the 
> line wire bead Schwalbe's currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a 
> wobble in the bead) to a lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the 
> supple-itude?
>
>
> Ride on chipseal and badly alligatored pavement, something with a nasty 
> coarse surface that looks like this
>
>
>
> or this
>
>
>
> You'll feel the difference right away.
>

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