Hi Bill - 

A lot of us on this list have "known" one another since the days of usenet. 
 I can think of at least a dozen people who I'd just send something to and 
know I'd get a check back from them.  

By the same token, this is also a publicly searchable group, and there is a 
possibility that someone with nefarious intent might contact you who has 
not actually been active on the list.  

That being said, there are many more lucrative ways to run scams than 
posting a for sale listing here, (including wait for it to be passed 
through the queue if you aren't active on the list) and then bilking the 
sender.  It's one of the reasons I don't mind a slight bottleneck in the 
system, and it's also one of the reasons I don't upgrade anyone's status if 
all they have done is post FS/FT listings. 

The first thing I'd do as a buyer would be search for the person here on 
the group archives and see how long they've been active and the types of 
posts they generally make.  If it's the only post a person has ever made, 
I'd do some things to protect myself.  

Protecting myself might include using paypal - because they do give you 
recourse.   It might be getting someone else on the list to go look at an 
item, so you can get a general feel for the deal.  It could be as simple as 
agreeing to talk on the phone at a certain time, seeing if they are easy to 
get ahold of and trusting your gut response to their trustworthiness in the 
conversation. 

Getting photos you know are real (have them take a photo with a specific 
page of the newspaper shown).  Fast and complete responses to questions. 
Those will give you a pretty good insight into who you are dealing with.

Finally, having a clear understanding of what kind of right of refusal you 
expect would be important.    If the quality doesn't match the photos, what 
happens?  If you kinda-sorta-wanta see the bike in person but might ship it 
back, you should figure out who pays for that - and what level of shipping 
insurance should be included.  If it shows up at your place after the 
shipper drove a forklift over it - what happens? 

And giving one another the benefit of the doubt helps too - sometimes a 
seller gets bogged down with work, health, life and other stuff and just 
doesn't get the package out the door in time.  It doesn't mean they are 
running a scam.

I get about 1 or 2 emails per year asking if I know so and so who hasn't 
shipped something yet.  In every case, it's self-resolved

The one true scam I can recall sounded like there were all kinds of warning 
signs  right from the get-go.

And - you know it was coming, right? - just to be clear: any transactions 
you engage upon are done so at your risk. 

- Jim / group admin

cyclofiend.com




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