46/30 on the front 36/12 0n the rear. On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 12:44:05 AM UTC-4, hangtownmatt wrote: > > Marc, > > How big of a cog do you use on your Hillborne? I have a 60cm Hillborne > with the standard Suguino triple crankset and I believe a 34 or 36 largest > rear cog, and I use standard length (114 links?) SRAM 8-speed chains. > > On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 7:18:01 AM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote: >> >> I've had to add chainlinks to both the Hunq's and Hillborne's chains when >> I install new ones. The longer stays and larger cogs I use just won't work >> with the chains my LBS carries for the spandex hamsters in the area. Talk >> about fitting them in a bike box? My Hunq just* barely *fit in one of >> the gigantic boxes that Amtrak offers. I don't think the Appaloosa could >> come close. >> >> Marc >> >> >> On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: >>> >>> I believe in one of his Blug posts about the Mystery Bikes (which have >>> chainstays in the 54 cm range), GP said they had to cobble together an >>> extra-long chain out of extra links from a second chain. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Marchant-Shapiro >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:18 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays >>> >>> >>> >>> I had an '85 Trek 650. Stays for days. I'm scrounging for a photo >>> right now, but I can't lay my hands on one. I do believe that with a >>> wheelbase *that* long, there may have been some slight compromise in >>> handling. But nothing significant. And it was a joy to ride with rear >>> panniers mounted, especially with my enormous feet. ISTRC that one problem >>> I ran into was finding sufficiently long chains when I ran it as a derailer >>> setup (I ultimately settled on using a wheel with an AW 3-speed IG hub). >>> >>> On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, "Don't >>> cut anything off of the stays." At any rate, I *tend* to agree with >>> Grant (don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own >>> experience, such as it is, makes me so tend. >>> >>> >>> >>> My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of >>> horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the >>> rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same >>> length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual >>> with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round). >>> >>> >>> >>> The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that * long >>> stays do not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I >>> must clarify. My 2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's >>> one reason I sold the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower >>> that I wanted in a road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as >>> the Ram in the straight ("almost:" I think the heavier, larger wheels of >>> the Ram affect things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no >>> hesitation at all, while not at all being "twitchy". 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