I've certainly followed Grant's progression to longer stays with much
interest. My most recent bicycle purchase was a longtail cargo bike
<http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-bike-that-rides-like-car.html>,
and the utility of it aside, I really do love the way it feels to ride. I
will often pull it out to ride errands on or ride to the bar with my wife
simply because it's fun to ride, not because I need it's full cargo
capacity.
Given my recent interest in riding bikes with upright handlebars for
everything, I think my next bike frame will be something with longer
chainstays. Not sure exactly what yet, but that is definitely one of the
design parameters I'm interested in.
On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, "Don't
> cut anything off of the stays." At any rate, I *tend* to agree with Grant
> (don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own
> experience, such as it is, makes me so tend.
>
> My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of
> horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the
> rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same
> length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual
> with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round).
>
> The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that *long stays
> do not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I must
> clarify. My 2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one
> reason I sold the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that
> I wanted in a road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the
> Ram in the straight ("almost:" I think the heavier, larger wheels of the
> Ram affect things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation
> at all, while not at all being "twitchy". Quick but seamless.
>
> I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2
> bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal
> mix of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done
> despite what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has
> 43 cm stays, IIRC.)
>
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