fair enough - I tweaked my knee on the 26-mi ride earlier this week. 
climbing hard and steady against that headwind.  So I started out the 38-mi 
ride with a tweaked knee.  I did eat a motrin at my water stops, but made 
the ride without knee pain and, particularly nice, no saddle, shoulder or 
wrist numbness.  

On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 6:44:32 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 06/19/2015 07:31 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
>  
> (challenging others on the forum is not cool) 
>
>   
>>> When you say "long rides," what sort of distance do you have in mind?   
>>> Was that 38 mile ride a long ride? 
>>>
>>>     
>
> That's not a challenge, it's a request for information, to understand your 
> frame of reference.   
>
>
>  

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