Same regarding other tools as well. Too often a dollar saved yields two 
dollars wasted once you get into ownership and use. 

Biggest return for purchase money among components on a bike's performance 
is obviously the frame/fork. Second I rate wheels, third crankset. 

I recall some '80s-'90s OEM bikes that were sought after because they had 
desirable OEM parts on a mediocre frame that you could buy complete then 
transfer  to a really good frame because of the smoking deals the part 
makers gave the brands for their volume.  The wheels could be rebuilt later 
with good parts and care. 

Others have more insight to this hierarchy of cost to performance returned 
in their own preferences?

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:49:38 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>
> PS: I am one of those foolish people who thought he could turn a Cross 
> Check into a Riv.  For the $2K+ I spent trying, I could have spent a few 
> bucks more and had many more years of enjoying my Hillborne.  Live and 
> learn!
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 8:51:13 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>
>> Great idea, and I do let everyone interested ride my Sam Hillborne, but 
>> most people just don't understand.  They think they can turn a Surly (just 
>> an example) into a Rivendell.  There are exceptions but even they don't 
>> seem to bite.  And for me, I'd love a SaddleSack, but it doesn't fit my 
>> lifestyle.  I currently use an Ortleib Sport Packer pannier with its 
>> easy-on easy-off shoulder strap carrying system.  I cannot see leaving a 
>> $250 bag with all its belongings on a locked bike.  If anyone has a 
>> solution to this dilemma please let me know because I'd love a well used 
>> saddlesack with personal sewn on patches.  I'd even consider Rivendell's 
>> panniers but they don't incorporate easy-on easy-off either.  But make no 
>> mistake about it, I do promote Rivendell and support them as much as 
>> possible; great company!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> Boost sales at Rivendell by letting your friends test ride your bike! 
>>> Riv should see a few Bosco Bar orders and an order for Albatross Bars 
>>> simply because I have let people ride my old mountain bike with Bosco's and 
>>> my new Homer with Albas. Once people ride them, they are instantly sold on 
>>> getting them. Everybody likes my bell and my SaddleSacks (Large and Small) 
>>> as well. :-)
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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