I agree with what Anne says.  While I have a strong appreciation for canvas 
and leather bags, the bikepacking rackless bags are lighter and IMO better 
engineered. I can travel further and with greater ease. I also find that my 
load is better balanced which on technical trails makes the ride more fun 
and the downhills faster. Framebags don't work as well on traditional style 
frames because of leg rub so on that style of bike I have a half bag that 
only uses the front portion of the triangle.

For paved and smoother dirt roads the pannier set up is the best way to 
carry heavier loads. In brushy or rocky singletrack, panniers can snag on 
objects easier than frame mounted  bags.  

Lately I'm doing mostly off-road touring/bikepacking and will not utilize 
these bags as I once thought I would.  

~mike



On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 9:24:27 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I have ridden the same off-road rides with bikepacking gear and with 
> panniers. For me, when I was pushing the bike, the rear panniers got 
> in the way of my legs, particularly on narrow trails where I needed to 
> get close to the bike. YMMV. 
>
> The other appeal is simply simplicity. Racks can loosen up. They can 
> break. If you don't have racks, then you don't have to worry about 
> broken racks. 
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > Beautiful bags, Mike! Wow. 
> > 
> > Could you help me understand the allure of frame bags vs. traditional 
> > panniers for bike packing? The main argument I've heard is squeezing 
> through 
> > tight spaces. I've never understood this. My panniers are not wider than 
> my 
> > legs are on the bike, and in LCG the bike and I are even wider except 
> when I 
> > have to be pulling from the front or pushing from behind. Not once have 
> I 
> > had a space the panniers couldn't fit through, though my canvas bags do 
> get 
> > rock, tree, and bush loving rather often. Perhaps less hearty nylon 
> tends to 
> > rip more easily? The knee rub of a frame bag is bothersome to me. So 
> I've 
> > simply never grasped the preference. Any insight you can provide on what 
> I'm 
> > missing would be great! 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
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