When I had my Blacksheep allrounder done, I asked James to leave all
stickers off and just went with a headbadge. Seemed like a nice compromise
to me of making the frame identifiable in a subtle way, while avoiding the
feeling of riding on a billboard between wheels.

Dustin


> From: Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:40:10 -0400
> To: <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Not even a stamp?    No names or logos seems like a pretty strict
>> requirement for an artisan to adhere to.    I only say this because I
>> wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to
>> was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would
>> *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of
>> someone's skill and time.   If something as personal as a custom
>> bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or
>> multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those
>> hands.
>> 
> 
> I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I
> don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a
> great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying
> production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to
> compromise on my requirements a bit.
> 
> However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built
> into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have
> no markings save the ones I want.
> 
> I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a
> number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and
> jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools)
> 
> If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me.
> I do not  wish to be compelled to do otherwise.
> 
> And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to  a point.( That
> little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me,
> though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos.
> No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request.
> 
> I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't
> dogmatically follow this rule.
> -sv
> 
> > 
> 



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