Kai ,  you would hear of such a measurement from many custom frame 
builders . Each builder though may measure it in their own way, maybe from 
a specific point of the shoulder, etc.  They often ask a whole lotta 
measurements . For mass market frames though , seat tube size by far rules .

Of course there is more to it than just measurements , as I mentioned there 
are many intangibles like flexibility and personal preferences of all 
kinds.   While I understand the Riv Philosophy of PBH and fit and that it 
works for them, to me it also over generalizes like all "formulas" , which 
by their very nature, are limited. To me feeling centered within the bike , 
when the bike "disappears" beneath you, is the most important thing and no 
formula can tell you that, it just comes from knowing yourself and what 
works for you. I can't put it into words adequately as even words 
themselves are limited, you just know it when you experience it :) 



On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 9:46:42 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>
> But how is it that I never hear talk of pit to palm measures. That seems 
> as important as pbh in the overall consideration. Humans have a lot of 
> deviations from the norm. My father, who also stood 5'20", had shorter arms 
> than I do, but looked as normal as the next giant. And an ex professional 
> skateboarding pal of mine, at averege height, has arms that hang to his 
> knees!, but you wouldn't notice until I said look. I always thought that 
> must his secret to success, those fantastic arms. Is there a term other 
> than PTP(Pit To Palm)? 
> -Kai 

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