But I have your back. On my 58 cm Ram, I -- 5'10", mostly torso, short arms
("damn! I can't reach my change!!") and simply drop my arm loosely from my
shoulder and find the dt shifter.

There *is* one more variable; how inclined your body is in your typical
riding positions. My road bars are ~1" below saddle, and I'm at the usual
45* on the hoods, so ...

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM, George Schick <bhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK, I'll say "uncle" on this one.  I stand 5' 9" and have slightly
> disproportionately shorter legs vs. slightly longer torso ratio.  And I
> ride a 54cm frame.  So for me to "reach down" is no big deal, but I realize
> that it might be a big issue for those of taller heights and more
> proportionate builds who ride larger frames.  In which case the DT vs.
> bar-con issue may be more a physiological necessity than one of person
> preference.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:01:18 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>  On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Plus, if you're used to riding with hands on the brake lever hoods, as I
>> assume most of us are, you still have to reach down to the end of the drops
>> with one hand or the other. With the DT's only one hand is required to do
>> all the shifting - and you only reach down once.
>>
>>
>> Let me take issue with this.  When I say "reach down" to get at a
>> downtube shifter, I mean not only extend the arm and the hand, but also
>> bend at the waist, tipping the head down towards the ground.  It's a
>> *reach.*  (This varies by frame size, arm length, etc: some people
>> simply drop their hand and it lands right on the shift lever, no body
>> movement involved.  I have a big frame and relatively short arms; for me it
>> is a big reach.)
>>
>> Unless they have a grotesquely incorrectly sized handlebar and stem,
>> nobody needs to *reach* that way to get their hand on the end of the
>> handle bar.  Yes you do have to move your hand.  No you do not have to
>> extend your arm or bend at the waist.  Or, if you do, you'd really better
>> change your stem and your handlebars.
>>
>>
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