Contact me off list and I can get you directly in touch with Phil at Loyal, 
if that's what you want to pursue.  

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:18:09 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> That's good info, Bill, thanks. Jan suggested Loyal but I'm having trouble 
> getting in touch with him by phone or email. I kind of think I wouldn't 
> mind the bag a little below the bars. The Sackville is level or even a 
> little above and I think I'd like it lower. Mostly, though, I think I'd 
> just like a larger bag, especially for cooler weather.

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