I'm sure the Rivendell ethos will survive despite of the absence of lugs. 
 I had a Surly steamroller that was tig welded and it was a lovely bike. 
 As I recall it had a lugged fork and some nice dropouts.  So many brands 
get diluted with crap products but I can't ever see that happening with Riv 
as long as Grant is drawing breath.  

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:25:08 AM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I could care less about how many lugs there are.  A more affordable 
> Rivendell is something that I think is needed.  THat said I think that 
> $1500 is over the mark for what I would consider an entry level point. 
>  Once I hit that price or more I would look at saving the extra for a step 
> up model or even a used Sam.  With cheaper wheels, no FD, cheaper pedals, a 
> cheap RD and such you could probably get a Sam under $2k.
>

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