So true Patrick, but you don't have to get very far of the path to be in 
the thick of it.  We've had more than 130" of snow this season and more in 
the woods. I built up a 9:ZERO:7 fatbike four years ago to supplement the 
Rivs and get me through our longest season. The bike certainly works best 
on consolidated snow and of course temperature, moisture content and snow 
type all make a difference.  I find most frustrating those times when the 
consolidated trail is about as wide as a skier's stance.  It's like riding 
on a plank and keeping a line with my modest skills is difficult at slow 
speeds.  Drop off and I'm up to the hubs at least and if it's even on a 
mild climb I end up walking: there is just no way I can get restarted.  A 
stronger rider might. I find traction and braking the main advantages.  Not 
so much on icy hard conditions, for that the Hunq with studded tires is 
superior, but for everything else in the snow I like the 907.  Front wheel 
traction when descending as well as reliable braking is just so much 
better.  I find I can also ride over deeper well consolidated snow where I 
can't with the Hunq which just digs in. The 907 is also better over soft 
leaf litter and mud, who's own season is about to begin. Some pics here: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/sets/72157643129392314/

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:24:17 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Sure, right until you enter trees and foomph! you're up to your hairline 
> in snow on your tiptoes trying to see above the snow. Grin. There is a 
> saying we have for 4x4's here in Colorado. The reason you have them is so 
> you get stuck further from help. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:17:38 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Deacon says: 
>> "It seems to me the fatbike window of ridable snow isn't too much 
>> larger than my Hunqapillars for all practical purposes." 
>>
>> I suspect the fatbike is way better than a Hunq with 2.25" tires on 
>> icy, crusty snow such as might be found after refreezing. One thing I 
>> can say about my Krampus is the traction is amazing, and a fatbike is 
>> going to have even better traction. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> > I can make it through 6" of fresh powder on my Hunqapillar with my 
>> 2.25" 
>> > smart sams. It's when it's deeper that it's challenging. It seems to me 
>> the 
>> > fatbike window of ridable snow isn't too much larger than my 
>> Hunqapillars 
>> > for all practical purposes. I've been in snowshoes in fresh powder up 
>> to my 
>> > navel trying to go uphill. That didn't work so well. Grin. 
>> > 
>> > With abandon, 
>> > Patrick 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:32:29 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Still, 700C tires fatter than 50 mm and run at sub 30 psi, especially 
>> if 
>> >> the tires push wider than 60 and lower than 20, really are better in 
>> sand up 
>> >> to 3" than the typical 26" mtb tire of not quite 2" and run at 50 psi 
>> as so 
>> >> many of them seem to be. 
>> >> 
>> >> I've read that in real snow -- newly fallen, 6" stuff -- even the fat 
>> >> bikes can't make it through. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:49:45 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> The Krampus (and its brother the ECR) have three inch tires. It 
>> turns 
>> >>>> out, three inches is not enough to make the bike a snow bike-- for 
>> >>>> that you need the Moonlander/Pugsley style bike. So I'll have to 
>> visit 
>> >>>> Minneapolis in the summer instead ;) 
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