+1 for inexpensive rear-dropout-mount kickstands and the Greenfield in
particular. I've tried the Pletscher and VO 2-leg models and any number of
single leg, bb-area mount stands, and all fall over with uneven rear
loading while the dropout mounted ones seem to hold the bike up even with
25 lb on one side of the rear rack.

One additional "+" for rear-mounted ones: with my former fixed gear grocery
bike. This meant that I could wheel it one handed, park it with the stand
at a convenient spot (no need to lean a loaded bike against a shelf full of
Jello Pudding boxes), then wheel it off again, all without having to raise
the stand to accommodate the moving crank.


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Clayton <treefir...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have tried the twin legger kickstands and found them to be wanting.
> Disadvantages: They have to be on level or near level ground, on a solid
> surface and they weigh....They are frikin' heavy. If there is a dip between
> the wheels, you have to move your bike. Mid mount kickstands also are
> wanting. If you have loaded panniers the whole bike wants to pivot around
> the kickstand foot, or fall over rolling on the axis line of the rear tire
> point of contact and kickstand foot.  It also can crush the chainstays,
> which I did on a cheaper bike because it would twist at the chainstays, so
> I kept tightening it. I used cloth electrical tape and wrapped the
> chainstays which helped, but I wasn't happy. I am extremely happy with a
> rear mount kickstand. Super stable with loaded panniers, does not pivot,
> lightish, can be deployed offroad much easier than a double and rattles
> less. I even made a big flat foot (1"dia.) for the end of it out of
> aluminum for soft surfaces. I have been using one for ten years now and am
> convinced they are the best kickstand to use, after trying all of the
> designs with a loaded bike. I even made a custom "Upstand" knock off out of
> aluminum and brass for my 20mm rear Maxle on my Ibis Mojo. The Greenfield
> rear kickstand is supported by a large span by mounting on the seatstay and
> chainstay and not on a little area of a mid mount clamp. I wrapped the seat
> and chainstays with rubber self vulcanizing tape, and snugged up the
> mounting bolts without having to crank down the bolts. I would rather die,
> than use any other type of kickstand.
>
> 😉 Seri
>

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