> I am serious about wanting to see photos of broken carbon, btw. And this
> raises a question about carbon fiber: I suppose that part of the problem is
> stupid light cf, not cf per se, right? So, if you made a bike of cf that
> isn't stupidly light, would it have any advantage over steel?


Here are some photo links to busted carbon, they aren't too hard to
find:

http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F6P/YA7O/3RIEWZM4PAV/F6PYA7O3RIEWZM4PAV.MEDIUM.jpg

http://www.rideyourbike.com/images/brokencarbonfiber.jpg


Here's a whole blog devoted to the topic:
http://bustedcarbon.blogspot.com/2008/10/road-kill-2.html

At Riv HQ, they did some fencing with a steel fork and carbon fork.
Carbon fork broke, steel fork paint was scratched.

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