> Of course, if a Riv were in a crash hard enough to splinter a Madone, it
> would get pretty beat up itself, no?

Possibly get bent, dented or scratched.  I do not think a human riding
a steel bike could accelerate it to a point where a crash would
splinter the steel.  Cars can hit another car or fixed object with
enough speed to splinter steel.  I expect if they hit a bike that
hard, the bike would more likely be thrown a great distance before
splintering (agree it would make little difference to the rider on
said bike)

> I am serious about wanting to see photos of broken carbon, btw. And this
> raises a question about carbon fiber: I suppose that part of the problem is
> stupid light cf, not cf per se, right? So, if you made a bike of cf that
> isn't stupidly light, would it have any advantage over steel?

I do not know the answer to that question.  It could be carbon, like
glass, also needs to be more thick before it stops being so brittle.
As such, you would have to have components designed for the wider
tubing.  Price of the thicker carbon would be another possibly
disadvantageous factor.

On Feb 2, 9:22 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:21 AM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> >   Watching carbon bikes explode has me sworn off
> > ever riding one.
>
> Can anyone post  links to footage or photos? I'd love to see such a crash in
> slow motion, splinters lazily turning through the air.
>
> Of course, if a Riv were in a crash hard enough to splinter a Madone, it
> would get pretty beat up itself, no? I've had two accidents on my 2
> remaining custom Rivs: one, '99 Joe gofast, I hit a curb (slowly) in
> twilight and had to get a new fork. No damage to frame. In fact, I rode the
> bike home that evening; high trail!
>
> T'other: a right turning car knocked me down as we were both starting up as
> the light turned green. Some damage to me but none to the bike.
>
> I am serious about wanting to see photos of broken carbon, btw. And this
> raises a question about carbon fiber: I suppose that part of the problem is
> stupid light cf, not cf per se, right? So, if you made a bike of cf that
> isn't stupidly light, would it have any advantage over steel?
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