Since we're totally off topic anyway.... I'd love to have a richard sachs bike, but for a straight up commute and have fun bike, I wouldn't trade it for my Ebisu or an AHH.
I wondered what the sumo looking head badge on my Ebisu was all about, but my wife recently found this, which helped me to understand an all arounder at a deeper level. http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/ebisu.shtml peace, shalom, salaam, michael On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Jeremy Till <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to make it into a never ending back and forth/and not simply to > parrot what Joel said...but yes, my comments were more directed at the > journalist describing the bike and not at Sachs. As I said before, I > lust after Sachs' bikes (even if they don't have bottle or fender/rack > braze-ons) and would love to own one. I also agree with the sentiment > that the lack of braze-ons represents the purity of the design goals > (namely, competitive cyclocross racing) of the bicycle, just as bikes > designed for track racing should not have brake holes. > > I was simply finding humor, as I expected most of this list to, in the > comments of the journalist that a lack of braze-ons would imply that > the bike is ridden more (or, more "seriously") than a cross bike with > such braze-ons. > > On Dec 10, 1:46 pm, Jon Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello to all, > > > Patrick........well spoken. > > > To add to that sentiment................................it is my > > understanding from reading about Richard Sachs that when he builds his > > cyclo cross racing bikes for team members, that some thought goes in > > to how to make it take a bit less time to build these machines for > > their intended purpose of CX racing. While it might seem a pretty > > simple thing to add on a few assorted bosses for bottle cages and > > fenders and racks, it does all add up in time spent. To give all due > > credit, the man had dedicated his life to frame building and before he > > "closed" his waiting list for frames, he would and has built many > > frames with just these kinds of extra's for broader focused bikes. The > > frames mentioned in the article are built specifically for the cyclo > > cross racing team that he sponsers, so leaving off these features > > makes complete sense to me, and after building up two frames for each > > team member, probably saves Richard a considerable amount of time. The > > man is an artist in steel and a legend in frame building and I smile > > each and every time I see one of his frames on the road. > > > As for my own bike riding..............................I'm perfectly > > well served by our good friends at Rivendell. I own two of their bikes > > now, and am making plans for another. Bottles, fenders, bags and all. > > Enjoy the ride, Jon. > > > On Dec 10, 3:16 pm, Patrick in VT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >How could making something more useful for > > > > general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in > > > > competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider? > > > >But the notion a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one > > > >that is lost on > > > >me. > > > > hmm . .. I didn't read it that way. maybe it could have been stated > > > more eloquently, but the point was that Mr. Sachs builds his signature > > > 'cross bike with one intent - to race cx. > > > > water bottles and fenders have no place in cx, and to have these > > > features would imply that the bike can be, or might be used for other > > > purposes. The omission of these features speaks to Mr. Sachs passion > > > and dedication to cx. > > > > serious cx racing is not about being practical or versatile - it's > > > about riding as hard as you possibly can for 45-60mins without > > > throwing up or having to think about what a pain it's going to be to > > > remount my honjos. adding fenders and bottle cages *would* make it a > > > more casual rider kind of bike - so what? > > > > this doesn't make other practically designed bikes "lessor." Did > > > someone actually say that? Kind of like comparing apples and oranges, > > > isn't it? > > > > in any event, let's not get too defensive about our practically > > > designed bicycles. there's nothing wrong with having a bike that does > > > only one thing and does it really well and saying that it's better for > > > it's given purpose than other bikes designed with versatility in mind. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
