I replaced the Terry Butterfly on my Bleriot with a Brooks Champion
Flyer "S" back in May.  It is still not clear who is winning, but that
is more the fit of the bike, than the saddle - I want it kicked back
more, but then the reach is too long...  Funny though, I rode my other
bike that still has a Terry Butterfly, and it just wasn't as
comfortable.

The springs squeak; not sure what to do about that.  Sounds kind of
like a donkey braying :-)

On Sep 9, 8:48 am, Mojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have B17s on all my road bikes (except a swift on my old crit bike),
> and Champion Flyers on my upright 3speed and not-upright mountain
> bike, so obviously I am in the Brooks camp. I have found the Champion
> Flyer to work good offroad, absorbing some portion of jolts but not
> being noticably boingy. One thing I don't like is the very hard nose.
> When I climb hard offroad, I am always low on the bars and way forward
> on the saddle to keep the front wheel in contact with the dirt. If I
> hit a significant bump propped on the hard (thin leather over steel)
> nose it can be quite painfull. I recently bought a used Terry
> Butterfly for relatively cheap    
> http://www.terrybicycles.com/saddles/detail.html?item_no=2113900
> and put it on the mtn bike. While it is definitely not as comfortable
> as the Flyer (I think because it lacks Brooks mid-length dip), it
> seems to work fine, and has a soft nose. On dirt, my riding position
> is in a constant state of flux and saddle comfort is much less of a
> factor. The Butterfly is 15.5cm/6.1inches across the back, while a B17/
> Flyer is 17cm/6.7inches.
>
> On Sep 8, 2:39 pm, "J. Burkhalter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > In addition to replacing the Noodles with Albatross bars on my
> > Atlantis, I want to also throw a sprung Brooks saddle on there.  I
> > tried a B.67 on a long mixed terrain ride recently, and was amazed by
> > the comfort over some rough roads and single track.  Not ideal, but
> > way easier on my body than the B.17 over the same route.  I'm looking
> > for something to take the edge off on long rides over rough terrain
> > (forest service roads, single track, loaded and unloaded), without
> > being too bouncy.  In addition to touring, I use the Atlantis for
> > commuting, ale and grocery runs, and general gettin' 'round.
>
> > I've come across a few good reviews of various Brooks online.  The
> > most comprehensive being Lee Watkins treatise over 
> > athttp://dutchbikeseattle.com/weblog/?p=65.  He got me thinking a lot
> > about the B.135 --http://www.wallbike.com/b135.html
>
> > So, I'd love to hear about your experiences.  Part of me thinks the B.
> > 135 is overkill, but the other part of me still remembers the beatdown
> > I received on the dirt roads of Baja last winter.
>
> > Thanks,
> > -Jay
> > Asheville, NC- Hide quoted text -
>
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