Dear John and R-helpers,
Thanks for your replies that were both very helpful.
The reason I was asking is that I´m searching for an easier way to
incorporate *random effects* in a multinomial model.
I was hoping that *combinations of binomial glmmPQL or lmer calls* might
be able to do the job - as MCMCglmm would require me to become Bayesian...
Do you think that combinations of binomial GLMs or glmmPQLs/lmer models
would make sense? (example code again below, still without random effects)
The responses I deal with usually have >50 categories.
Thanks again and best wishes,
Christoph
#Example code again (thanks Charles Berry for pointing me at how to use
sapply in this context):
#set up data: (don´t care what they are, just for playing)
set.seed(0)
cats=c("oligolectic","polylectic","specialist","generalist")
explan1=c("natural","managed")
multicats=factor(sample(cats,replace=T,100,prob=c(0.5,0.2,0.1,0.5)))
multiplan1=factor(rep(explan1,50))
##
library(nnet)
m2=multinom(multicats~multiplan1)
ggen.preds <-
sapply( levels(multicats),
function(x) predict(glm(I(multicats==x)~multiplan1,
family=binomial),type="response"))
max(abs(ggen.preds-predict(m2,type="probs")))
Am 22.07.2014 22:20, schrieb John Fox:
Dear Christoph,
If I understand correctly what you've done, the two approaches are not
equivalent and should not in general produce the same fitted probabilities.
Letting {a, b} represent logit(a vs. b) = log(Pr(a)/Pr(b)) and {ab, cd}
represent logit(a or b vs. c or d), and numbering the response levels 1, 2, 3,
4, then the multinomial logit model fits the logits {2, 1}, {3, 1}, {4, 1},
while your binary logit models are for the logits {12, 34}, {23, 14}, {34, 12}.
Note that the first and third are complementary, but even if you had used three
distinct logits of this kind, the combined models (which BTW wouldn't be
independent) would not be equivalent to the multinomial logit model.
I hope that this helps (and that I've not misconstrued what you did).
Best,
John
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McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:47:17 +0200
"Scherber, Christoph" <csche...@gwdg.de> wrote:
Dear all,
I am trying to express a multinomial GLM (using nnet) as a series of GLM models.
However, when I compare the multinom() predictions to those from GLM, I see
differences that I can´t
explain. Can anyone help me out here?
Here comes a reproducible example:
##
# set up data: (don´t care what they are, just for playing)
set.seed(0)
cats=c("oligolectic","polylectic","specialist","generalist")
explan1=c("natural","managed")
explan2=c("meadow","meadow","pasture","pasture")
multicats=factor(sample(cats,replace=T,100,prob=c(0.5,0.2,0.1,0.5)))
multiplan1=factor(rep(explan1,50))
multiplan2=factor(rep(explan2,25))
########################
library(nnet)
m2=multinom(multicats~multiplan1)
# predictions from multinomial model
predict(m2,type="probs")
########################
# now set up contrasts for response variable "multicats" (which has 4 levels):
ii=as.numeric(multicats)
g1=glm(I(ii%in%c(1,2)) ~ multiplan1, family = "binomial")
g2=glm(I(ii%in%c(2,3)) ~ multiplan1, family = "binomial")
g3=glm(I(ii%in%c(3,4)) ~ multiplan1, family = "binomial")
r1=predict(g1,type="response")
r2=predict(g2,type="response")
r3=predict(g3,type="response")
# calculate predictions (based on Chapter 8.3 in Dobson 2002, Introduction to
GLMs)
ee0=1/(1+r1+r2+r3)
ee1=r1/(1+r1)
ee2=r2/(1+r1+r2)
ee3=r3/(1+r1+r2+r3)
# compare predictions between GLM and multinom fits:
apply(cbind(ee0,ee1,ee2,ee3),2,mean)
apply(predict(m2,type="probs"),2,mean)
#################
[using R 3.1.1 on Windows 7 32-bit]
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University of Goettingen
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