----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jesse Guardiani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Jesse,
> >
> > Sorry for sounding like a dummy but can you explain point # 2 for me?
The
> > envelope sender is what a user sees in their email client right?
>
> No. The envelope sender is what the mail server uses when it needs to
bounce
> a message back to the sender. Usually the user never sees this address in
the
> email, but some mail filters, like TMDA, embed the envelope sender in the
> headers as something like:
>
> Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> But most MTAs don't (AFAIK).
>
> The header from address is the From address the user sees. This is usually
> identical to the envelope sender address, but CAN be totally different.
>
> Qmail's badmailfrom file only checks the envelope sender, AFAIK.
>
>
>
> >  So your
> > script compares that to the email in the header right?  I'm not sure I
> > understand why that is effective?
>
> Checking both the envelope sender and the header From: address is
effective
> because spammers don't always set them to be the same thing. If you just
> block based on envelope sender, your users may still receive emails with
> the address you're trying to block in the header From:. And the header
From:
> address is all the user ever sees, so it makes sense to block based on the
> header From:.
>
>
> >  Does a spammer not just set them both
> > the
> > same?
>
> Sometimes. Sometimes they don't.
>
>
> >  Am I correct in saying that the email headers from address is
> > populated from the envelope sender?
>
> No. They are totally different addresses. Sometimes they contain the
> same thing, but they don't have to.

Jesse,

Thank you for that explanation.  That makes sense.  So what does your script
/ program do if the envelope sender is blank or non existent?  Or does that
not happen?

Also what is AFAIK ?

Thanks
Malcolm



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