On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 03:37:16PM +0000, Peter Maydell wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 at 09:56, Thomas Huth <th...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > On 17/02/2023 10.06, Markus Armbruster wrote: > > > Thomas Huth <th...@redhat.com> writes: > > ... > > > My view on all this is a bit more pragmatic. > > > > > > For a human developer, the difference between "dnf install > > > python-sphinx" and "pip install sphinx" is, in my opinion, close to > > > negligible. Really no comparison to "git-clone GCC and bootstap it". > > > You seem to disagree with that. > > > > Honestly, being a Python ignorant, I completely messed up my system with > > "pip" already a couple of times, especially if the instructions forgot to > > tell me to use the "--user" switch. So yes, I tend to disagree ;-) > > Seconded. I trust my distro package manager and I know how it works, > and I know how to uninstall a package later if I want to revert what > I've done. I do not know or trust what the heck pip is doing or where it's > trying to install anything, because it's not a tool I habitually > use. I can't remember if I've managed to mess up the system with it, > but I've definitely had the experience of "install stuff with pip, > do a distro upgrade later, the pip installed stuff is all busted". > > > > For automated builds in general, and distro packaging in particular, the > > > difference is real, and could even be a show stopper. But who's > > > packaging bleeding edge QEMU on CentOS 8? I suspect the only automated > > > builds are our own CI, where the difference is real, but hardly a show > > > stopper. > > > > If we've got the feeling that nobody out there really builds QEMU on older > > long-term distros anymore, then why the heck are we still trying to support > > this according to our support statement? > > I don't think anybody is *packaging* new QEMU on an old distro.
I recall that at one time the openvz folks where packaging new QEMU on RHEL-7 for a while after we had already dropped RHEL-7 as a target. That's the trouble with enterprise distros, their usage sticks around way longer than any of us would care to admit. > I do think we have users who do ad-hoc from-source builds. We'll certainly have contributors using it as a dev platform from the corporate world. With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|
