On Sep 29 11:15, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:00:04PM +0200, Klaus Jensen wrote:
> > On Sep 29 10:29, Keith Busch wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:46:33PM +0200, Klaus Jensen wrote:
> > > > It is unmistakably clear that you are invalidating my arguments about
> > > > portability and endianness issues by suggesting that we just remove
> > > > persistent state and deal with it later, but persistence is the killer
> > > > feature that sets the QEMU emulated device apart from other emulation
> > > > options. It is not about using emulation in production (because yeah,
> > > > why would you?), but persistence is what makes it possible to develop
> > > > and test "zoned FTLs" or something that requires recovery at power up.
> > > > This is what allows testing of how your host software deals with opened
> > > > zones being transitioned to FULL on power up and the persistent tracking
> > > > of LBA allocation (in my series) can be used to properly test error
> > > > recovery if you lost state in the app.
> > >
> > > Hold up -- why does an OPEN zone transition to FULL on power up? The
> > > spec suggests it should be CLOSED. The spec does appear to support going
> > > to FULL on a NVM Subsystem Reset, though. Actually, now that I'm looking
> > > at this part of the spec, these implicit transitions seem a bit less
> > > clear than I expected. I'm not sure it's clear enough to evaluate qemu's
> > > compliance right now.
> > >
> > > But I don't see what testing these transitions has to do with having a
> > > persistent state. You can reboot your VM without tearing down the
> > > running QEMU instance. You can also unbind the driver or shutdown the
> > > controller within the running operating system. That should make those
> > > implicit state transitions reachable in order to exercise your FTL's
> > > recovery.
> > >
> >
> > Oh dear - don't "spec" with me ;)
> >
> > NVMe v1.4 Section 7.3.1:
> >
> > An NVM Subsystem Reset is initiated when:
> > * Main power is applied to the NVM subsystem;
> > * A value of 4E564D64h ("NVMe") is written to the NSSR.NSSRC
> > field;
> > * Requested using a method defined in the NVMe Management
> > Interface specification; or
> > * A vendor specific event occurs.
>
> Okay. I wish the nvme twg would strip the changelog from the published
> TPs. We have unhelpful statements like this in the ZNS spec:
>
> "Default active zones to transition to Closed state on power/controller
> reset."
>
> > In the context of QEMU, "Main power" is tearing down QEMU and starting
> > it from scratch. Just like on a "real" host, unbinding the driver,
> > rebooting or shutting down the controller does not cause a subsystem
> > reset (and does not cause the zones to change state).
>
> That can't be right. The ZNS spec says:
>
> The initial state of a zone state machine is set as a result of:
> a) an NVM Subsystem Reset; or
> b) all controllers in the NVM subsystem reporting Shutdown
> processing complete ((i.e., 10b in the Shutdown Status (SHST)
> register)
>
> So a CC.SHN had better cause an implicit transition of open zones to
> their "initial" state since 'open' is not a valid initial state.Oh snap; true, you got me there.
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