On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:00:04PM +0200, Klaus Jensen wrote:
> On Sep 29 10:29, Keith Busch wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:46:33PM +0200, Klaus Jensen wrote:
> > > It is unmistakably clear that you are invalidating my arguments about
> > > portability and endianness issues by suggesting that we just remove
> > > persistent state and deal with it later, but persistence is the killer
> > > feature that sets the QEMU emulated device apart from other emulation
> > > options. It is not about using emulation in production (because yeah,
> > > why would you?), but persistence is what makes it possible to develop
> > > and test "zoned FTLs" or something that requires recovery at power up.
> > > This is what allows testing of how your host software deals with opened
> > > zones being transitioned to FULL on power up and the persistent tracking
> > > of LBA allocation (in my series) can be used to properly test error
> > > recovery if you lost state in the app.
> >
> > Hold up -- why does an OPEN zone transition to FULL on power up? The
> > spec suggests it should be CLOSED. The spec does appear to support going
> > to FULL on a NVM Subsystem Reset, though. Actually, now that I'm looking
> > at this part of the spec, these implicit transitions seem a bit less
> > clear than I expected. I'm not sure it's clear enough to evaluate qemu's
> > compliance right now.
> >
> > But I don't see what testing these transitions has to do with having a
> > persistent state. You can reboot your VM without tearing down the
> > running QEMU instance. You can also unbind the driver or shutdown the
> > controller within the running operating system. That should make those
> > implicit state transitions reachable in order to exercise your FTL's
> > recovery.
> >
>
> Oh dear - don't "spec" with me ;)
>
> NVMe v1.4 Section 7.3.1:
>
> An NVM Subsystem Reset is initiated when:
> * Main power is applied to the NVM subsystem;
> * A value of 4E564D64h ("NVMe") is written to the NSSR.NSSRC
> field;
> * Requested using a method defined in the NVMe Management
> Interface specification; or
> * A vendor specific event occurs.
Okay. I wish the nvme twg would strip the changelog from the published
TPs. We have unhelpful statements like this in the ZNS spec:
"Default active zones to transition to Closed state on power/controller
reset."
> In the context of QEMU, "Main power" is tearing down QEMU and starting
> it from scratch. Just like on a "real" host, unbinding the driver,
> rebooting or shutting down the controller does not cause a subsystem
> reset (and does not cause the zones to change state).
That can't be right. The ZNS spec says:
The initial state of a zone state machine is set as a result of:
a) an NVM Subsystem Reset; or
b) all controllers in the NVM subsystem reporting Shutdown
processing complete ((i.e., 10b in the Shutdown Status (SHST)
register)
So a CC.SHN had better cause an implicit transition of open zones to
their "initial" state since 'open' is not a valid initial state.
