On 07/22/15 13:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek <ler...@redhat.com> wrote: >> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonz...@redhat.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote: >>>>> or work >>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers. >>>> >>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when >>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less >>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to >>>> random people? >>>> >>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke >>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo >>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe. >>>> >>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again: >>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last >>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample >>>> experience. >>> >>> I understand the frustration with upstream. Thanks for posting a >>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that. >>> >>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the >>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization >>> developers. It won't have a user community, support, or help improve >>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which >>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project. >> >> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year >> now, without much indication that it could improve. >> >>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository. I'm >>> not against that. But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to >>> consider the problem. >> >> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated. >> Personally I lost all hope. > > Done.
Thanks. Looks like you got through. Obviously, that cannot be ascribed to anything else than blind luck, or a personal relationship from the past. Ie. things that should not matter in open source. In any case, I asked Michael Brown what we should do differently next time. Laszlo
