On 11/13/2018 9:04 PM, Christman, Roger Graydon wrote:
On 13 Nov 2018, at 09:51, Bev in TX <countryon...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Nov 12, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Terry Reedy <tjre...@udel.edu> wrote:
For me, open (command-O) opens 'Documents'. I presume it should be easy enough
to move into a 'py' subfolder.
The whole point is for Idle -> File -> Open (or command-O) to automatically
open to a specific folder.
Bev in TX
Thank you, Bev in TX for clarifying my question. That is indeed what I seek.
The problem is that having Open and SaveAs always opening in one
specific directory is not always the right thing to do. The OS, OS user
settings, the method of starting IDLE, and the active window when Open
or SaveAs is invoked.
https://bugs.python.org/issue22121 is about changing the installation
default Shell directory on Windows, which is the closest thing to an
application or session directory. The current rules seems not to be
documented, but I worked out some of them in msg224587.
https://bugs.python.org/issue28775 is about adding a user option to set
the startup (Shell) directory in IDLE (when not overriden by the startup
method). I believe that this is what you are asking for, or at least
the closest thing thereto.
> My course has proved cumbersome every time a student created a new
program in class, since they would have to change folders. And when
I got to working with data files, I ended up with a little punt to avoid having
to specify a complete path name to get to a workable directory.
My students are not programmers. I have English majors, Education majors, and
students in their first year at a University. I won't say they are completely
computer-illiterate, they can use a browser well enough. But I expect none of
them to have ever seen the command line, so I really don't want to go that
route.
As far as activating IDLE on this Windows 10 system,
I go down to the search bar at the bottom left, type 'IDLE', and then up comes
a list of various installations
we have lying around, including 2.7, 3.4, and 3.6 versions. I have them just
select the 3.6 version from the list to launch IDLE. I don't consider that
quite the same as using a 'shortcut', since we are not clicking on any icon on
the desktop.
If you right-click an IDLE search result and select 'open file
location', you see a directory of shortcuts, any of which can be copied
to desktop and then edited by selecting 'properties'.
I am not on the campus-wide labs right now, so I cannot really say much further
-- and I haven't tried right-clicking on those items to see if configuration
options show up, to talk to the %AppData% path, etc.
The Penn State computer labs are networked -- each computer has a C: drive,
which I presume might be local to each machine -- but in any case, I think it
is read-only
to the students. And since they could easily sit down at a different machine
on any day, I wouldn't want to rely on any configuration file or anything on
the C drive anyway.
There is a networked U: drive (for users) that is campus wide, which is useful.
There is also a virtual V: drive, which simply maps to each individual's
folder set aside for them on the U: drive. That place would be ideal for my
purposes as a place to save code and data files.
In this configuration, can users use Options => Configure IDLE =>
Settings (dialog) to set user options (such as the font size) and have
their changes persist to another session, possibly on another machine?
But the default directory is somewhere else. I would
have to get back on campus before I can quote exactly,
but wherever it is a readonly file space that's not the
Desktop or My Documents, or who knows what.
I'd preferably like to reset the default to the V: drive
(or even create a Python folder on that virtual V: drive).
We ran into this on #22121. Although the startup directory should be a
subdirectory of the home directory, there is typically no standard name
for such, even across users on one machine.
And the real challenge is to come up with the simplest
solution that I can explain or show to first-time programming students in under
a minute, which therefore does not involve the command-line interface.
I don't want to scare half the students away in the very first class, just
trying to configure their development environment.
If that's impossible, then I guess I'll have to fire a note off to the university tech
support requesting them to play with that "Start In" option through %AppData%,
or whatever it was.
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