On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 1:22:59 PM UTC-4, T Berger wrote:
> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 6:02:06 PM UTC-4, T Berger wrote:
> > On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 7:00:15 PM UTC-4, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > 
> > > The key point here from Jim is "simultaneously". Are you properly 
> > > shutting down 
> > > the Flask instance in IDLE before running from Terminal, and vice versa?
> > 
> > Cameron, I try every option to quit either program, but they don't work. Or 
> > I should say, they mostly don't work. Once in a while they do. The one 
> > option which works (which is not a feasible option) is rebooting my Mac 
> > (actually that might not work either. I think I got the error message again 
> > this morning when I rebooted).
> >  
> > > Otherwise both will try to use the same local port and There Can Be Only 
> > > One.
> > > 
> > > Do you need to run from both environments at the same time? I'd have 
> > > thought 
> > > not, which also leads me to: why are you flicking from IDLE to Terminal? 
> > > I 
> > > would have imagined using one or the other normally, not both. It isn't 
> > > wrong 
> > > to use both, just surprising.
> > 
> > I'm working from a Python manual. I created the webapp in IDLE, and test it 
> > in Terminal, per the instructions in the manual. I use IDLE to edit my 
> > program, and then test it in terminal. When I go from one to the other, I 
> > get the error message. IDLE has a keyboard shortcut for quitting the 
> > shell—Cntl + C—but it doesn't work. Neither does restarting the shell. 
> > Neither does entering the kill command line, not in IDLE or terminal.
> > 
> > Do you have any other suggestions? I'm going to email the writer. He 
> > doesn't mention how to deal with problems that might arise from working 
> > with two programs at the same time. Maybe Cntl+C should do it, but in my 
> > case it doesn't.
> > 
> > Tamara 
> 
> Cameron, I'd like to add screenshots of my idle and terminal windows. Perhaps 
> this would shed light on my this issue.
> 
> This is my last window in terminal:
> 
>   [Restored Jul 2, 2018, 1:12:09 PM]
> Last login: Mon Jul  2 10:58:54 on ttys000
> Restored session: Mon Jul  2 11:04:19 EDT 2018
> 192:Webapp TamaraB$ exit
> logout
> Saving session...
> ...saving history...truncating history files...
> ...completed.
> 
> [Process completed]
> ~~~~
> To me this looks like the program running in terminal has been killed.
> 
> Now this is my idle shell:
> 
>  RESTART: /Users/TamaraB/Desktop/Webapp/vsearch4web.py 
>  * Serving Flask app "vsearch4web" (lazy loading)
>  * Environment: production
>  [31m   WARNING: Do not use the development server in a production 
> environment. [0m
>  [2m   Use a production WSGI server instead. [0m
>  * Debug mode: on
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/Users/TamaraB/Desktop/Webapp/vsearch4web.py", line 26, in <module>
>     app.run(debug=True)
>   File 
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.6/lib/python3.6/site-packages/flask/app.py",
>  line 943, in run
>     run_simple(host, port, self, **options)
>   File 
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.6/lib/python3.6/site-packages/werkzeug/serving.py",
>  line 795, in run_simple
>     s.bind(get_sockaddr(hostname, port, address_family))
> OSError: [Errno 48] Address already in use
> >>> 
> 
> Why should there be an error in idle? It's the only app running. 
> 
> I emailed the writer of the manual I'm using, but who knows if, or when, 
> he'll reply. So any help you provide would be great.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tamara

Addendum

I forgot to add that I get the error message even after I exit from idle. 
Exiting from idle  is supposed to kill the running program. That is what the 
the confirming dialog box explicitly states.
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