On 2016-Feb-27 19:13, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
On 27.02.2016 12:18, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some less well
known GUI IDEs which I did not come across. Thanks.
As of today, there's no Python GUI builder comparable to VB 6.
Thanks for stating this clearly. Everyone here has been trying to show me
various ways to do the kind of things I will want to, but nobody clearly admits
the limitations I will have to accept if I start with Python.
I am starting to wonder if VB.net would be a better solution for the time
being. I have learnt enough VB.net to manage my work but it is bloated and
Microsoft dependent.
There are some like QtDesigner or wxGlade, but they either don't
generate Python code directly or they can only be used if you know the
underlying toolkit good enough to create the GUI yourself. You may try
out some, but I can almost guarantee you that you will come to the same
result.
If you want a GUI, create it yourself using either wxPython or PyQt.
I will check it. I got the impression that you can create a GUI but that has to
be converted to Python, and then you need a wrapper to put these forms in, and
then they can be compiled or converted to *.exe with py2exe. Not a good way for
development/debugging.
For engineering applications that's probably the weakest point that
Python has.
It's holding back a lot of people...
Well, for most measurement or control software a GUI is not really
needed, but still people want it.
In the 1980s everyone was happy with inputs from the command line on a line
editor, but today people expect GUIs with graphics and often even animations.
It is surprising that a language which seems very popular does not have GUI
development infrastructure in place these many years after it got into common
use.
Regards,
Dietmar
I agree (at least largely) with the author of this email, in response to
Dietmar. I have been working with Python for several years and often a GUI is
needed, not by me; but, for users of my software where my target is usually
numerical and image processing with a "don't make me think too much" GUI. I have
mainly used wxPython (which is rather good, with good support); but, I find it
rather awkward in practice and making an *.exe for users that includes wxPython
is often a tedious process (at least from my own experiences). Perhaps my skills
with wxPython and its API are lacking :-( .
After re-reading some of the postings that are connected to GUI problems in the
python-list, wxPython-users, and PyQT, it seems to me that an "improved IDLE"
for Python might have helped to solve some of their problems. I am quite sure
such a development would be well received by Python beginners and those
migrating to Python from other languages (e.g. VB).
While working on my first wxPython GUI project, I actually switched to VB to
test my GUI design and to create an *.exe for the project --- this went rather
fast, considering that I had no previous experience with VB. Only afterwards,
did I return to wxPython, for implementation in Python 2.7, which took much
longer with extensive refactoring.
And Dietmar, please don't take this the wrong way, I also agree with some of the
points that you have made. And I do like wxPython :-)
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