On 16/03/2015 22:02, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:20 AM, Michael Torrie <torr...@gmail.com> wrote:
A bit off topic here, but all of this highlights major weaknesses in the
Linux software distribution model. While we Linux nerds like to poke fun
at Windows for not even having a proper package manager until Windows
10, in fact the package manager is not always the best way to go. Works
well for core system parts, and for distro maintainers. But it sucks
miserably for developers, and to a lesser degree, end users. I should
be able to have a stable core distro like RHEL 7 (or any distro), but
develop and distribute apps for Python 3 easily. Say what you want
about Red Hat's Poettering, but what he says about this problem makes a
lot of sense:
http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html.
It most assuredly does NOT suck for end users. Apart from issues of
naming (grab "avconv" or "ffmpeg"?), it's easy - if someone needs to
do audio manipulation, I can tell him/her to "sudo apt-get install
sox" and that'll get the necessary program on any Debian-based distro,
and likewise one command for any Red Hat distro. I'm not sure what you
mean by "for developers" - do you mean that it's hard to package your
software for each distro? Because the package manager benefits you
even if you don't package your own program. Imagine you need a
PostgreSQL database for your Python application - which also means you
need psycopg2, of course. How do you go about writing installation
instructions?
* WINDOWS *
1) Install the latest Python 3 from https://www.python.org/downloads/windows/
2) Install the appropriate version of psycopg2 from
http://www.stickpeople.com/projects/python/win-psycopg/
3) Install the latest PostgreSQL from
http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows/
4) Install my program from blah blah blah
pip install xyz fits *MY* needs, so blow you Jack, I'm all right.
Hopefully to be part of IDLE as well, that should save the teachers or
trainers from changing a few nappies.
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