On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:58:11 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > > So pushing beginners away from print can push them up the learning > > curve more quickly
> Or more quickly discourage them. I still use print for all sorts of > things. In my opinion, there is often no need for fancy loggers, > str.format, or the write method of file-like objects. Print will often > get you a "good enough" result faster than the other means. Well I'm not talking of people like you!! Nor of more sophisticated tools than print. I am talking of the fact that an absolute basic sine qua non for beginners is to be able to structure programs: - breaking up a complex expression into sub-expressions - abstracting out a sub-expression into a function with an appropriate parameterization - inverses of the above when the current cut is sub-optimal etc etc... what is nowadays fashionably called 'refactoring' And for that the noob needs to learn to write return-ing function where he currently writes a print-ing function. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
