On 1/5/2014 8:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
OK, let's see what we got from three core developers on this list:
To me, the following is a partly unfair summary.
- Antoine dismissed the post as "a rant".
He called it a rant while acknowledging that there is a unsolved issue
with transforms. Whether he was 'dismissing' it or not, I do not know.
Antoine also noted that there does not seem to be anything new in this
post that Armin has not said before. Without reading in detail, I had
the same impression.
- Terry took issue with three claims made, and ended with, "I suspect
there are other basic errors, but I mostly quit reading at this point."
You are discouraged that I quit reading? How much sludge do you expect
me to wade through? If Armin wants my attention (and I do not think he
does), it is *his* responsibility to write in a readable manner.
But I read a bit more and found a 4th claim to 'take issue with' (to be
polite):
"only about 3% of all Python developers using Python 3 properly"
with a link to
http://alexgaynor.net/2014/jan/03/pypi-download-statistics/
The download statistics say nothing about the percent of all Python
developers using Python 3, let alone properly, and Alex Gaynor makes no
such claim as Armin did.
I would not be surprised if a majority of Python users have never
downloaded from pypi. What I do know from reading the catalog-sig (pypi)
list for a couple of years is that there are commercial developers who
use pypi heavily to update 1000s of installations and that they drive
the development of the pypi infrastructure. I strongly suspect that they
strongly skew the download statistics.
Dubious claim 5 is this: "For 97% of us, Python 2 is our beloved world
for years to come". For Armin's narrow circle, that may be true, but I
suspect that more than 3% of Python programmers have never written
Python2 only code.
- Serhiy made a sarcastic comment comparing Python 3's bytes/unicode
handling with Python 2's int/str handling, implying that since int/str
wasn't a problem, then bytes/unicode isn't either.
Serhiy's point was about the expectation of implicit conversion
(int/str) versus (bytes/str) and the complaint about removal of implicit
conversion. I suspect that part of his point is that if we never had
implicit bytes/unicode conversion, it would not be expected.
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