On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:15 AM, rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 5, 6:54 pm, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> To do what for me? Close windows? Reclaim memory? Terminate >> applications? I don't understand your bogglement. > > ClaimA: I made claim that Tkinter's window hierarchy is not only > normal, but justified in modern GUI programming. > > ClaimB: You made a claim ( or supported a rebuttal claim) that Mac's > system of window management was superior and did not need such a > "window hierarchy" simply because;
I never said "better". I just said that it's possible to create an application that *to the user* has no main window, even though *to the system* it does. And I'm also pointing out that in most good toolkits, there's no "main window", but instead a "main thread". > 1. You can create a program that twiddles it's thumbs (using very > little memory) until a message is received. > 2. Upon receiving a message the program can open a GUI window. > 3. When the user closes the GUI window (definition of "close" is not > nailed down yet!) the program will free the GUI memory and start > twiddling it's thumbs again until the next message arrives. > 4. rinse and repeat until you are happy. Again, pointing out that it's possible, not that it's good. (Most messenger programs will have a means of *sending* messages too, which makes a good basis for a main window.) It's not efficient to keep loading up GUI libraries and discarding them again. But it's possible, and it would mean that you genuinely have multiple equal main windows. > It's obvious that yours and my claims are contradicting. So with that > said, at what point does Tkinter or Windows fail in this example you > provide? Because, i can recreate the exact same functionality on a > windows box without need of the underlying window manager's help. Actually, everything you do requires the underlying window manager, otherwise you're just painting your own pixels on the screen. And I never said that this model was possible in some and not others. (Although it's a bit harder with Windows; there's no explicit call to finalize windowing, so most likely the application will hold GUI memory until termination.) ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
