Rick, > However, now Tkinter just looks old and dumpy.
Have you taken a look at the ttk module (based on tile) that ships with Python 2.7/3.1? This adds native/theme-aware widgets to Tkinter. And it adds additional widgets such as a treeview (which can also be used as a grid), notebook, progressbar, scales, panedwindow (splitters), etc. The widgets in ttk match each platform's standards and look as professional as the equivalents found in wxPython/pyQt. Take a look at the screenshots on this rather long page to get an idea of what is now possible - "out-of-box" with Python 2.7/3.1. http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/onepage.html I've done GUI development in wxPython and pyQt, and until recently *never* considered Tkinter. Once I saw what was possible with the ttk module, I've started moving a lot of new GUI projects from these other platforms back to Tkinter/ttk (enhanced with PIL module). Why Tkinter/ttk vs. wxPython or pyQt - professional looking apps are now possible (really!) - very light weight install and distribution - works with both 2.x/3.x (not possible with wx) - very robust (wx can be finicky at times) Subjective: I also prefer Tk's geometry managers to wx's sizers even though I learned sizers first. You seem to be very enamored with wxPython. What have you found in wxPython that's not available with the latest versions of Tkinter/ttk other than an AUI equivalent and better support for RTL languages? Malcolm -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list