Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:26:24 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
Yes, I do count this as a personal attack and flaming.
The litmus test for that is that it says something very negative about
the person you're debating with.
As negative as accusing somebody of intentionally lying?
Or is it only a personal attack when other people dare to disagree
with Alf P. Steinbach?
Do you mean that everybody else is allowed to get personal, but I, in
return, am not so allowed?
In addition, your statement about the earlier attacks on me, is untrue,
and your implication that it's only about attacks on me, is untrue. Both
of which are very misleading, by the way. I'm assuming that you're
intentionally lying.
Get over yourself. You're not so important that everyone is falling
over themselves to discredit you by intentional lying.
This implies something about my beliefs about my importance, that is, it
is clearly intended as an ad hominem attack.
I'm getting a bit tired of that.
You do bring some technical knowledge and perspectives that is
valuable to
this community, but it comes with so much spikiness, near-paranoia and
Freudian projection that it is extremely unpleasant dealing with you.
Since you first came to this community, you have displayed a
remarkable ability to take personal offence at virtually every
disagreement,
That is not true.
I do take offense at pure personal attacks, though.
Personal attacks are about person, technical discussion is about
technical things.
a deeply paranoid viewpoint that whenever somebody contradicts your
statements they are deliberately lying,
That's just stupid, sorry.
Being paranoid is not about being attacked, or about pointing out when
someone's lying.
Hello.
and a level of arrogance that is outstanding even for computer
science. (How sure of yourself do you have to be to write a textbook
for beginners in a language that you yourself are a self-professed
beginner in?)
I note with interest that this is not the only forum where your
reaction to disagreement is to accuse others of deliberate lying.
Your argument gets a bit circular.
It is a habit of yours,
That is untrue.
and you've displayed it frequently
No, that is untrue.
and repeatedly.
Yes, I have repeatedly pointed when people have been lying, citing the
evidence and logic leading to that conclusion.
I wouldn't just "accuse" someone of something like that.
It's far too serious (however, above you're happy with accusing me of
being paranoid and whatever, so I conclude that you have no such qualms).
For example:
http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/General/comp.programming/2006-08/msg00139.html
http://www.embeddedrelated.com/usenet/embedded/show/43780-20.php
http://groups.google.am/group/comp.lang.c++/browse_thread/thread/555331f8dd594837
Yes, I've been on the net a long time, and consequently I have been
involved in flame wars. :-)[1]
That is no excuse for your behavior.
An extremely long thread dedicated to the notion that there are no
references in Python (which is blatantly false), coupled with personal
attacks on the one person arguing that there are. I could easily think
that you were having me on. Of course most anyone else who'd hold the
rational opinion would not join the battlefield, because it clearly
wasn't and isn't about convincing or educating anyone, but I feel that
follow-ups to my articles should be answered.
Cheers & hth.,
- Alf
Notes:
[1] Like one here where some guy A objects to some other guy B's use of
the term "portable assembler" about C, where at first I try to defend
B's point of view, since it is after all one employed even by the
creators of C. B sensibly opts out of the discussion while I stay on,
predictable result. Another flame war is with some functional
programming fanatic, and a third with a known troll.
I'm intrigued by your comments over the last couple of weeks, as you
obviously know so much more about Python than people who have been
working on it and/or using it for the 20 odd years of the existence of
the language. Is it safe to assume that shortly you will be telling the
scientific community that Einstein was a complete bozo and that his
theory of relativity is crap, or that Stephen (Bob?) Hawking knows
nothing about the origins of the universe?
To put it another way, please stand up Alf, your voice is rather
muffled. And this isn't an ad hominem attack, whatever the hell that
means, I (NOTE I ) personally wish you'd bugger off and leave the
bandwidth to people who genuinely want to discuss Python, computing
algorithms, whatever.
And please do NOT bother to reply. Your pathetic smileys and/or HTH
garbage cut no ice with me. I'm quite simply staggered that the Python
community as a whole have shown far more patience than I have, otherwise
you'd have been shot down in seriously bad flames days ago.
To you, Alf, get stuffed.
To the rest of the Python community, thank you for doing a fantastic
job, I do appreciate it, and am currently in my own little way
attempting to put something back in.
Regards.
Mark Lawrence.
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