On Aug 12, 10:41 am, Robert Dailey <rcdai...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 12, 9:09 am, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: > > > > > On 01:27 pm, jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote: > > > >Simon Brunning wrote: > > >>2009/8/11 Robert Dailey <rcdai...@gmail.com>: > > >>>On Aug 11, 3:40 pm, Bearophile <bearophileh...@lycos.com> wrote: > > >>>>There are gals too here. > > >>>It's a figure of speech. And besides, why would I want programming > > >>>advice from a woman? lol. Thanks for the help. > > > >>Give the attitudes still prevalent in our industry (cf > > >><http://tinyurl.com/c5nqju> and many more), I'm sorry to say that I > > >>don't think this is funny. > > >Having someone present technical informations with porn content cannot > > >be qualified as "prevalent in our industry". I would even dare to say > > >this is the opposite, it is almost unique. > > >I would also add that Robert was very far from this attitude, I > > >consider his joke as a friendly tickle, not a male chauvinist > > >aggression. I'm no women, but I'm sure they are as capable as me, not > > >to say more, of making the distinction. > > > >It has been said this list is not very friendly to newbies, let's not > > >make it hostile to gentle jokes (even those not funny) when thanking > > >helpers. > > > It's lots of little things like this which combine to create an > > environment which is less friendly towards women than it is towards > > others. You might read it as a joke, others might not. Even if it is a > > joke, it's in poor taste and doesn't really belong on python-list. > > > There's a difference between pointing out inappropriate behavior and > > being unfriendly. Hopefully Robert got help with his problem. That's > > what the list is here for. Having accomplished that, it is not > > unfriendly to ask him not to make disparaging comments, "jokes" or > > otherwise, about groups of people. > > > Jean-Paul > > Hey everyone, > > I was actually joking about my remark, I was making fun of the fact > that Bearophile took my figure of speech literally. I have worked with > a lot of women in the past and they even use "guys" to refer to > everyone in a room (When there were obviously other females in that > room as well). > > On a more serious note, I do apologize to those offended by my remark. > I realize that these things can be a touchy subject for some people. I > expected more of a laid-back attitude from everyone. No need to be so > serious all the time. I cannot completely doubt that there are logical > women out there. I just haven't seen one yet. But that doesn't mean > I'm a sexist.
Oh my. And you were doing so well. You haven't seen a logical woman? Perhaps you're blind because your eyes were torn out by a raging marmoset? Guess what? Thinking (or just saying) that /does/ mean you're a sexist. (Even if it was just another "friendly, harmless joke".) > With my apology presented, I would like to propose that we end the > discussion here. As I said, this is a very sensitive subject and this > thread could spin way out of control if we don't just ignore the > issue. For those that took it as a friendly, harmless joke, hopefully > you had a laugh. For those that took it seriously or as an offense, > please take my apology to heart. Thanks once again to everyone for > your help. I've long been a member of this community and I really > appreciate the continuous support I've been receiving! > > Take care everyone! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
