2008/3/27, Alex9968 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Guilherme Polo wrote: > > 2008/3/27, Alex9968 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> Guilherme Polo wrote: > >> > 2008/3/26, Alex9968 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > > >> >> Hi all, > >> >> > >> >> I use Tkinter's Pack widget geometry manager (I really prefer it over > >> >> using visual GUI designers), so my question is which other GUI > toolkits > >> >> have similar functionality. > >> >> > >> > > >> > The geometry manager isn't related to using GUI designers tools at > >> > all. And each toolkit has it's own way to do the things, wxPython uses > >> > sizers, PyGtk uses containers. > >> > > >> > >> Well, the geometry manager isn't *directly* related to using GUI > >> designers, but as Pack arranges widgets automatically, using GUI > >> designers isn't required, while with geometry managers that don't, GUI > >> designers are necessary (if you start placing widgets programmatically, > >> you'll end up reinventing something like Tkinter's Pack or Grid geometry > >> manager). I hope I can be understood clearly this time ;-) > >> > > > > Not at all, can't understand your point yet. GUI designers aren't just > > for placing widgets, they also will keep the interface design > > separated from your code. > > > > I do not want to separate interface from code and I do not experience > the need to use GUI designers. >
It is your opinion, it seems I can't change it for now but I hope you reconsider it for the future. > Pack arranges widgets perfectly, and it's very complex to do the same > without it, both in code and in GUI designer. For some level of "perfect", of course. Also, I can't understand why you say it is hard to do such thing in a gui designer tool, which tool have you tried ? Maybe you are not familiar with them yet, and that could be the problem. > I wish toolkits I use to > be able to place widgets one after another automatically. > They all make this possible, you could try doing something on another toolkit you are interested and check if it does what you want. > > > >>>> Secondly, I like the detailed widget borders configuration possible in > >>>> > >> >> Tkinter, which can be used to tweak GUI look, and wonder if other > >> >> toolkits support it. With Tkinter's case, I like the resulting > (tweaked) > >> >> look in Windows, but I'm afraid it can be quite different (and ugly) > on > >> >> other platforms. > >> >> > >> > > >> > You sure can, but differently. > >> > > >> > >> I suppose any toolkit allows setting parameters like "no border", "flat > >> border" and "3d border", but which ones can set ANY type of border to > >> ANY widget like Tkinter does? For example set GROOVE border to buttons > >> and text widgets (instead of traditional wide raised/lowered borders), > >> which is cool (in my opinion). > >> > >> > > > > The widgets subclass some base class, which contains some common > > methods which could be the border and relief for example. > > In the case of PyGtk, border > > width is controlled at Container, so most widgets will have this > > feature, but the relief style of the widget is not common to all > > widgets so you will need to check this one (Button has it). > > In wxPython, widgets will subclass Window, which has all you want and more. > > But PyQt doesn't seem to care much about this, you can change the > > widget to flat (if it makes sense to that widget have setFlat method) > > but not much related to the borders. > > You could recheck your use-cases and see if they are acceptable. > > > > > >> >> (The reason I ever consider moving from Tkinter is some > inconveniences, > >> >> involving for example window scrolling, plus its smaller amount of > >> >> widgets compared to some other toolkits, plus its (rumored) ugly > look on > >> >> certain environments. I will not necessary change the toolkit, but I > >> >> have to consider it) > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > I'm planning to "solve" this, I'm suggesting inclusion of Ttk into > >> > Tkinter for upcoming GSoC. For now you could try using Tile extension, > >> > and update to Tk 8.5. If you don't want to use extensions, then you > >> > will have to wait or change the toolkit for now. > >> > > >> > >> Thanks. I haven't heard of Tile before, now I will keep this in mind. > >> You forgot to mention WHAT you're planning to solve ;-) , so I have to > >> add that Tile is modernization of Tk widgets (so it fixes ugly look). > >> > >> > > > > WHAT I'm planning to solve, quote from my own paragraph: > > "I'm planning to "solve" this, I'm suggesting inclusion of Ttk into > > Tkinter for upcoming GSoC." > > > > I would like to add the possibility to use Ttk widgets into tkinter, > > providing you have Tk 8.5. It would solve the problem of "not enough > > widgets" and the other one of "being ugly" mainly. Tk 8.5 also > > auto-fixes some other problems, it provides smooth-scrolling for the > > text widget, for example. But keep in mind that using Tk 8.5 in Python > > is not yet supported (but possible). > > > > I understood you. I added that sentence just to make it clear for anyone > reading this. Your participation is appreciated greatly, thank you. > -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
